Lyndon LaRouche Interview With Barbara Reynolds
WOL radio and XMSatellite
May 31, 2023

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Co-Host: How are you, Mr. LaRouche?

LaRouche: Oh, I'm in fair shape, frisky.

Co-Host: Great, I'm so glad you could stay on line with us. Now, you're one of the 2023 presidential candidates. Bring us up to speed.

LaRouche: Well, I'm actually currently, I'm number one, in terms of popular funding of my campaign, ahead of all the other nine, but there are some fellows over there, who don't want to hear, or have heard, what I have to say.

Co-Host: Why is that?

LaRouche: Well ...

Reynolds: (cuts Lyn off) .. Well, let me get straight. They're not including you in debates, is that the issue?

LaRouche: Well, what they're doing is, they're saying that the Democratic Party has decided, because some right-wingers over there don't like me, to say that I'm not a Democratic candidate, and here I am, I'm number one, in terms of popular support.

Reynolds: Well, you say you're number one, because the polls that I have been reading, don't even include you in being asked about you. What polls are you talking about?

LaRouche: That's the point. Well, the FEC, that is, the figures that are actually on file, I have the largest support, financial support, in terms of number of people supporting me. Ahead of all other of the nine candidates. So, they don't want me there.

Reynolds: Okay, well, what I'm trying to get at, you know, and this is not your fault, because if they don't ... if they offer the prominents, and say, we have eight candidates, and which one do you like, and you're not included, of course, you're not going to be included in the count. So, I understand that. And I know that if they can leave you out, they can certainly leave other folks out. Doesn't it have to do with matching funds, and have you met all the requirements to be treated like a candidate?

Have you filed all your papers, and dotted every i, and crossed every t?

LaRouche: Yup. Each time. But now the problem is this. The problem is on the Democratic Party side. Those whose accept this blockade against me, are in effect making fools of themselves. Would a citizen who was concerned about the condition of the world, and the country, in this age, would they want to vote for a guy who didn't have the guts to stand up like a man, and say, "I'm not going along with this kind of deal?"

Co-Host: We need to hear more about that, Lyndon. This is Reynolds Rap. [station ID]

... We're talking with Lyndon LaRouche, one of the candidates in the 2023 Presidential Democratic candidates. Mr. LaRouche, now, I know that you were first among the candidates in the number of individual contributions, and first in dollar amount of unitemized contributions, but what is the problem? Help me, and I'm sure many of our listeners, understand why you're not being included in Presidential debates across the county.

LaRouche: Well, it's essentially that, I think actually, you know, that the people who are controlling the Democratic Party machine, as opposed to the person they may know in the Congress, or something like that, but the people who are controlling the machine from the top, are controlled by money, and some of the money comes from people, I think, who are on the far right side. Like Michael Steinhardt, who's one of the founders of the Democratic Leadership Council, which is the dominant control group, over the Democratic Party machine. And what we have is a right-wing group, typified by Joseph Lieberman, the Senator from Connecticut, who's a buddy of McCain, a warhawk like McCain. And these fellows, I think, in effect, are trying to throw the year 2023 election to the Republican Party.

Co-Host: Okay, I don't understand. Dr. Reynolds, can you phrase it better than I?

Reynolds: Well, I think what's he talking about is, there's just no diversity.  You know, this needs to be a diversity of voices, going back to the war. How did you deal with the war, because I didn't hear your voice?

LaRouche: Oh, my voice was heard around the world. I've been working to sabotage this machine that's taken over the government recently, typified by Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, and people like that, and we've had some success with that.

Now, on the mass media, so-called, there was very little said. But we have a reach directly to citizens, which is actually more powerful, in terms of citizen contact, than what the other nine have got. So, when they went on in North Carolina, for example, they made fools of themselves. What they're going to do in Baltimore, is make fools of themselves. What they're going to do in Iowa, is make fools of themselves, because they're not going to discuss any  of the issues that are really important.

Number One: economic questions. The war, as such. We have major press now covering the war. We have Congressional investigations which could lead to the impeachment of people like Rumsfeld, but these guys aren't talking about it. They're supposed to be Democrats. They're supposed to be the opposition, and they're not talking about anything of any importance, concerning the economy, the world, military policy, criticism of the Iraq War, any of that sort of thing. And now we're getting the press telling us that, from the Defense Department, you had a bunch of liars in there, who presented fake evidence, which was used to start a war.

And these guys aren't talking about it.

Reynolds: We haven't been talking too much about police shooting down innocent blacks across this country. We just had another fatal shooting in New York. I want to hear more about that.

LaRouche: Oh, I've been on that case.

Reynolds: Yeah, I know you have. This is one reason you're on this show, because I know that even though I don't agree with you 100%, or even 90%, but on some issues, you do open your mouth and speak even when some folks who should speak, because we're voting for them, don't speak.

LaRouche: Well, you know, at my age, since I'm fortunate enough to have decent physical health for my function, I do these things, because that's the way to live.

Reynolds: Well, what about the Democrats' health care plans, that they're putting out? You know, the President's, he says he has a health care plan. What do you think of those plans?

LaRouche: Oh, this stuff is disgusting. Look, we had, as you know, we had prior to 1973 where the HMO bill was rammed through by the Nixon Administration, we had adopted in the postwar period, the Hill-Burton legislation. The objective was to raise the standard of health care in every county in the United States, by setting annual targets for improvement of adequate number of beds of different types, and so forth. Now we did, in some parts of the country, an excellent job. For example, in Alabama, it was still terrible. But we still do a good job in New York, and Boston, and so forth.

But then they shut it down. Now, we have a health care policy which is based on the right of a stockholder, or a shareholder, who came into a financial company yesterday morning, has more rights to health care, that is, to take it away from people, than the people who have been paying in, for example, to health care plans. And they're being looted, they're being killed, actually.

Reynolds: And then we have the working poor, who work every day, and can't afford health care, because they don't give it to them on their jobs, and they're getting sicker and sicker, and dying quicker.

LaRouche: But, it's even worse. Because, you know, under Hill-Burton, our objective was to follow the Preamble of the Constitution, which includes the promotion of the general welfare, as part of the three principles on which the Constitution is based. Now that means -- and we did it under Hill-Burton, as in, for example, New York -- if somebody dropped in the street, before 1973-1975, someone would say, "Call a cop," an ambulance would come. That person would be taken to the nearest emergency center, would be given immediate attention and treatment, usually. There were some goof-ups, but this was on principle. And then, somewhere down the line, someone would talk about who's going to pay for all this.

Now, what we had was a system under which people contributed either by their Blue Cross/Blue Shield, or some other health care plan, or through employer-contributed programs, voluntary contributions by citizens to hospital fundraising campaigns, so we had enough money across the line, to be able to take care of the person who might be totally indigent, but who needed health care. The objective is to deliver health care to whoever needs it, when they need it, and it's not a question of what the financial plan is. We are supposed to have a broad policy, which foresees who is going to be able to pay, who is not going to be able to pay; to raise the money for that, provide the beds for that, provide the facilities, give everybody treatment, and then the small number of people of the total, who can't afford anything, they'll be treated anyway.

Reynolds: You know what I want to get back to. Is once you were on my show, and I asked you where did you get most of your funds from, and my callers called in, and really jumped on me, because they said that I let you not answer. So, I don't want to do that again. I want you to, first of all, where do you get most of your funds from? And then, what would you say distinguishes you from the other candidates, if you could do that quickly?

LaRouche: Okay. Well, I'm a person of principle. I'm an economist. Probably, in terms of results, in forecasting the last 30-odd, 40 years, I've been the most successful forecaster, long-range forecaster, on economics, in the world so far. That is, of any known person. That's what I'm very good at.

I've also attacked, consistently over this period of time, the trend of our government away from the Roosevelt tradition, toward the Nixon-plus tradition. And I've warned about what this is going to lead to, down the way. I've always been right on that.

Now we're coming to the end of the line. This system is blowing out. Conditions around the world, especially in Europe and the Americas, are becoming impossible.

Co-Host: Mr. LaRouche, you didn't answer the first part of that question.

LaRouche: What's that?

Reynolds: Well, let me say again. Where do you get most of your funds from? Where do you get your money from?

LaRouche: Mostly from ... either from sales of publications, which is a different thing than the campaign, or from contributions from citizens. And it's all filed and registered.

Reynolds: You said, from where?

LaRouche: Just ordinary citizens. But it's all filed and registered with the Federal Election Commission.

Reynolds: We don't have all those records right here. So, I'm trying to figure out, ... is it mostly corporate funds?

LaRouche: None. I don't have any big-pocket contributors.

Reynolds: You don't have any corporate funds, you said?

LaRouche: No.

Reynolds: Okay, so mostly contributions from citizens.

LaRouche: Exactly.

Reynolds: Okay. Well, why was that so difficult? I feel like I'm pulling teeth every time I ask you the question.

LaRouche: No, well, I just said, it seems so ... it's so obvious. All the funds, my campaign funds, are all registered with the Federal Election Commission, and have been since, the past [tape break] quarter-century.

There never has been....

Reynolds: Okay. What are you going to do next, then, to get on these debates, and campaign with the other candidates?

LaRouche: I'm not going to worry about it. What I'm doing, I'm going ahead on my own. For example, on the second of July, I'll give a webcast -- I'll invite any of these guys who want to come on, with me, to come on with me. I'm sponsoring it. And I'm going to deal with the issues. I'll deal with them clearly, and if they don't come on, it's just going to be bad luck for them.

Co-Host: Okay. Well, we sure appreciate hearing your voice, Mr. LaRouche.

Reynolds: You're always welcome with me, and I think I called you Warren, and I should have said Lyndon.... I'm sorry.

LaRouche: That's all right. Don't worry about that. I've been called bad things at times.

Reynolds: Well, I don't want to be one of the bad-mouthers, unnecessarily, unless you give me good reason. And you haven't. Thank you so much.

LaRouche: Thank you.

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