Question: Hello, Mr. LaRouche. My name is Yong. I go to Morgan State University. And I've been trying to think through this, for a while now. It's about the whole Founding Fathers, and the principle of the general welfare. And I really like it! But, the problem that I have is, which really gets to me, is that, I've always thought, that looking at reality, of what's actually happened: That people from England actually came here, to actually found the Constitution, the Preamble for everybody; but, it just seems to me, that, I have this haunting suspicion, that maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe that it was actually for--it wasn't including everybody, including myself, and whatnot. So, I just wanted to [know] if you could, maybe, prove it to me, in some way. Because I really like it, but I'm just a little unsure about it: That their actual intentions, the Founding Fathers, was this "general welfare" for everybody, not for themselves--in that way?

LaRouche: Well, you have to look at it from the standpoint of immortality. The American Revolution was an attempt, by Europeans, including American-Europeans, to establish a form of society, on this planet, which would replace the existing forms of government in Europe: That is, a true republic, in the Classical sense. This was the only place in the world, it could be done.

The culture we had here, was a mixture, of what became known later as the division between patriots and American Tories. We had two groups (actually, three, but they broke down into two) factions which are the American Tories. One, was the New England Essex Junto, which later became the drug-pushers. They originally were engaged in the slave trade. They got out of the slave trade, only for one reason: Because the British--these were the Abolitionists. They got out of the slave trade, because the British told them to. Because the British said, it was not economical to transport slaves from Africa to the Americas. They didn't make enough money on it. Therefore, they should go to a different commerce, called "the opium trade."

So, in 1797, the New England slave traders, the Essex Junto, went from the slave trade, to the opium trade, based largely on the Turkey division of the British international opium trade.

Now, in the United States, we had a problem. We had to hold the United States together, against the British and against these European enemies. The issue of slavery came up, and there was threat of some of the Southern states, to split, in favor of England, over the question of slavery.

So, you had the original draft of the 1787 Philadelphia Constitutional Convention, which had not tried to resolve that issue, except by saying, that it was assumed that slavery would disappear in a short period of time.

That was later revoked. It was revoked after 1815, when the British, who controlled the slave trade--see, the myth is, that people say, "The Americans created the slave trade." The Americans did not create the slave trade. It was the Spanish, the Portuguese, the British, and the Dutch, who created the Africa slave trade. Just as it's the Americans, the British, and the Israelis, who run the Africa genocide, today: Including George Bush Sr.--Barrick Gold. Barrick Gold is a mercenary operation, in Congo, which loots, like "Diamond Pat" Robertson, who steals diamonds the same way; which hires mercenary armies, to kill people in Africa. They're running genocide in Africa through the U.S. State Department, today--today.

I'll give you just one example: We had a friend of ours, who I know as a priest. He's a Catholic priest, in a missionary. He recently went into Uganda, on a mission to deliver some medicines and so forth, with two other priests. They went to a military barracks, and went on to the place they were going to. They got there, and there was a shooting. And, the people they were working with, were killed, and they were held hostage. Now, the military commander of this bunch of kids--these are 14-, 15-, 16-year-old kids, who are part of Museveni's army, who are killers--looked to the guy; knew the priest, knew him, and said, "Father! What are you doing here? But, we're supposed to kill you!" So, one thing led to another, and he didn't kill him. They were marched back to the garrison, and the commander of the garrison was shocked, astonished, and frightened, by the fact that these priests had not been killed! But, at that point, the thing had reached the heat, that these three guys, got out. The priest in question, my friend, got back to Rome; communicated to a mutual friend of mine, the details of the story, and we dealt with it appropriately.

Now, what has happened, a woman, who has left our organization, developed an affair with a guy in the U.S. State Department. This person is known to Dennis Speed. And, this guy, who's a military specialist, who's on the Great Lakes area desk, including Uganda, is running an operation, in Uganda, to assassinate Museveni--who's a British agent--in order to put an American killer of similar qualities into power. That's how this happened.

That is the reality, we're dealing with. We are not dealing with a categorical issue, of this or that. We're dealing with a war, to deal with an evil.

Question: I'm sorry to interrupt you. Actually, my question came out totally wrong. What I really wanted to address (sorry about that), was basically that, it seems to me, that a whole race got wiped out: the American Indians. From the surface area, in between what actually happened, is, you know: A bunch of people came down to form a new republic in this area, and actually, through time or reality, shows that they got wiped out. What I want to know, is actually, what happened in-between the notes?

LaRouche: There are many people, who are of, shall we say, "mixed ancestry," who are Cherokee, including, and also of African descent. Some of my friends have that ancestry. I mean, this is all over the Southern states.

The Cherokee Nation was developed by people in the United States, by people in the colonies and the United States, as a highly cultured, literate nation, inside the United States, with treaty guarantees and so forth, as a tribe with autonomy. Andy Jackson and Company, who was a pig; he was the first Democratic President, created by a piece of filth called Martin van Buren. And, Jackson was flirting with treason, most of his life, against the United States. He was a real opportunist swine. He was caught with Aaron Burr in a conspiracy; he just got out of it. He could have been hung, shot.

So, he went down there, and he cleaned out the Cherokees. Decimated them, destroyed their entire culture and civilization. Some of them fled into Florida, where they became known as Seminoles. Others went to other parts of the Americas, and became known as Cherokees, in the area of Oklahoma, and so forth.

So, what happened was, that the British, and their friends in the United States, set out to destroy the Native American population. The French did it; the British did it; and so forth. And, the American Tories did it--like the Democratic Party!

You want to know what evil was, in the 19th Century? Evil was the Democratic Party, founded by Martin van Buren, whose first successful President, was Andrew Jackson; whose successor was Martin van Buren, himself, who was the bastard son of Aaron Burr--in two senses, "bastard." He was succeeded by people, such as Polk, who was an outright traitor; who was succeeded by Pierce, who was outright traitor; and Buchanan, an outright traitor. Virtually every Democratic President, including Grover Cleveland, of the 19th Century, was a traitor. Woodrow Wilson was a Ku Klux Klan enthusiast. The Democratic Party did not give up its racist policies, until Franklin Roosevelt! The Democratic Party was the party of racism and treason, throughout the century, from President Andrew Jackson, on.

The way to look at this, is to look at an ongoing fight. Don't look at it simply in terms of a mortal life. We are engaged in an ongoing fight for justice on this planet. This is not confined to one locality, or another locality.

I'm concerned as much about Africa, as anything else! There is genocide going on! My friends are being killed, in Africa! Leading Africans are being killed! Murdered! With the help of the U.S. State Department. Genocide in general, is going on. There is deliberate genocide, against the whole population of Sub-Saharan Africa, from the Sahel down to Cape Town. Genocide: deliberate policy of genocide, by forces of the United States, British, and the Israelis.

So, my question is: What do we do? When you're dealing with an injustice, you don't sit back, and say, "yes or no." Is it going to be this way, or that way? No. What you do, is, you, in one sense or another, create an army to conduct the fight, to bring justice, and you have to fight it like a war. That doesn't mean you kill, but it means that you fight it like a war. And, the problem with these questions is, we do not take up the question of justice. And, you can not deal with the question of justice for those who have died, unless you deal, first, with the question justice for those who are now living.

And, that's the way to deal with it. If we have a just society, then the criminalities and inequities of the past, will be cured. Our Constitutions provides us the instrument to do, just that. The question is: Who's running the country? If the other guy's running the country, that's the result you get. If you vote for them, and the guy says, "We gotta get a vote for the lesser evil. I gotta vote for this guy, because you guys haven't got a chance. I'm not going to vote for you. You haven't got a chance. I gotta vote for somebody, who's gonna win." And, because you vote for somebody, you think is going to win, you vote yourself out of life.

That's what the problem is. We have to have the courage, to say, "We are going to bring this kind of crap to an end! You and I, we have to agree: We're going to bring this crap to an end. And we're going to organize the war, or the type of war, which is necessary, to bring this to an end." In doing that, we will find the answer, to give justice to those who've been ruined in the past.

Larry Freeman: [off mike] I know you've brought this up several times. Is that satisfactory, or?

Question: Um, I'm still a little...

Larry Freeman: Because I know you've had this question, all along, about the Founding Fathers...

Question: Yeah, I don't know, whether, if their intentions weren't actually that for everybody, and just kind of stand off afterward, and we're using it now. Or, was it truly the purpose of this general welfare, for everybody?

LaRouche: It was. It was. But, the problem is, how do you win the war? If you declare a war, you've got to win it. We haven't won it.

See, people say, they want to vote, and they want to have it simple; they get this thing--they want it, like an object, bought in the store. It's not the way you get it.

Think of the life of humanity, which had been on this planet for more than 2 million years: human beings. What has happened to humanity, in the past 2 million years? How many civilizations have been wiped out? How many nations have been wiped out? What suffering has happened, without remedy, for whole sections of humanity? Think about it! Live in immortality. Adopt immortality, as your goal of your self-image. Not immortality as something that happens after you die, to get nice prizes and beauties, and so forth. But, think of immortality as: You arrive; you have a limited time, in which to live. You don't know the minute, or how long. But, it's limited. What are you going to do with your life, so that you're content, to be yourself? You're going to have to adopt some kind of a mission in life, of what you're going to do, with that life, which you need not be ashamed of, a thousand years from now. Have you done what you should, in your time, to advance the cause of humanity? If you have, you've got nothing to be ashamed of. And you have nothing to be ashamed of, in the eyes of those who came before you. If they suffered, you are doing something about it!

That's the way we have to do it. There are no simple formulas. There are principles. We have to adopt principles, but then, we have to make them work. You can't sit back, and let the principle work by itself. We have to make it work. Therefore, we need political forces, that can enforce these principles, and make them work.

Wherever there's injustice, wherever a human being is suffering needlessly, we've got to do something about it. Sometimes we don't have the power to. What do you do then? You don't have the power to do something about it. Well, I don't have the power, to deal with what's going on in Africa. My friends are being killed, personal friends! Leaders in Africa, being killed. What can I do about it? With this kind of thing in the Justice Department, or the State Department? What can I do about? You've got a racist as Attorney General. That's our problem. You've got a President of the United States, who's a flaming idiot; who's about to plunge the whole planet into war, if he can get by with it. What do you do about it?

This is a question of personal commitment. It's not academic answers. I know what your struggle is: It's trying to make the transition from saying, "What do I support?" as opposed to: "What do I do?"

Larry Freeman: [off mike, inaud., ?people at Morgan use this as a way of avoiding joining the fight?]

LaRouche: You have to inspire them. Look, they have to get inspired, to realize that there are objectives, which seem impossible. See, like Morgan typifies people, who have not the greatest advantages in life, who get into it. They feel frightened. They feel weak, inadequate. So, the first thing you have to do, when you want to fight a war, is you have to feel strong. When you feel strength in yourself, and strength in what you're doing, then you have the courage to think about things differently, then when you are protesting against what you feel unable to deal with.

I hope I can give you some of that. Find the strength in yourself, to think about these things, in that way: "How would we win the war?" Not, "How do we just what happened?" "How do we win the war? For the sake of the babies, that are coming down the pike? For the sake of justice for those"--think of someone who died, in cruel circumstances. Think of somebody who was killed, murdered; some years ago, in some fight you know about. What do you say to that dead person? Who died with this kind of terrible death, of themselves, in their face? What do you say to them? What would you say to them, today?

Question: If I believed in what they're doing, I would carry it out.

LaRouche: Exactly!

Question: Make sure it happens.

LaRouche: Exactly! You do the thing, that says, you are not leaving this person, who died, and walking away from it, and saying, "This is another corpse by the road. I'll try to forget it." Why don't you do something that makes that person having lived, meaningful? And, you don't always know what it is, but you do something which, in general, is giving meaning to the lives of the people who died unjustly, or in great suffering.

For example: I've seen people in Alabama, for example; some of them died. I met some years ago, looking around Alabama, to try to find out what the place looked like. Unbelievable, in some sense. I'd seen things around the world--but, you see these areas that have not been developed at all. You see a woman, who's 100 years old--she's kind of frisky; she's living in an area, in a trailer, which is stuck on the ground. The temperature was also about 100-plus degrees. It's hot and humid in that area. And, a couple of years later, she died. And she was a friend of a friend of ours, and that's how I met her. What do you say to those people? What do I say to these who're dead? I say, "I'm doing what I should do. And, you are not forgotten. Your condition, your hopes, are not forgotten."

That's the sense of immortality. You have to find it in yourself, and then you have the strength to project to others. The trick of this business, is to inspire people. To find in themselves, that which is inspiring. You can have tremendous power. If you feel impotent, you feel helpless, you don't know how to deal with these questions. They're dismaying. You say, "How could this country do this terrible thing?" Well, tell me a country, that didn't. Where do you go on the planet? Show me a country, that didn't.

You and I and others, have to decide, this is not going to go on! Then, we go back, and fix up the past, because our ancestors need not be ashamed of us. [warm applause]

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